We’re All Extremists Now…

Well according to a new report if you are a UKIP supporter or member you may well be a violent nut job

I was pointed to the report by Dan Hannan MEP who rightly questioned why UKIP were included. It’s also been doing the rounds of the usual places. And just for you here’s a little taster…

One of the most worrying aspects of this research is the
attitude of BNP, UKIP and English Defence League (EDL)
supporters to violence. There is a widespread belief that
conflict between ethnic, racial and religious communities is
inevitable and a frighteningly large number of respondents
appear willing to engage in violence to protect their group from
threats. Half of BNP supporters said that preparing for conflict
was “always” or “sometimes” justifiable, with 21% saying that
it was “always” justifiable.

For most, these attitudes to violence do not go beyond their
private thoughts but for a few it does. The Home Affairs Select
Committee report noted that there were currently 17 far right
activists in British prisons for terror-related offences. We are
also witnessing an increase in violence from supporters of the
EDL around the country.

This does seem a little bizarre. I can only go from personal experience but all the UKIP members I know are peace loving libertarians. I also voted UKIP at the last election. And I can’t say I’m a particular fan of violent extremism — I just don’t like the three main parties or the EU.

Either way from my brief read it would seem that there is an attempt here to tarnish UKIP and their views. Which I believe will also tarnish libertarians due to some of our shared views.

If anyone is willing to read it in its entirety I would love to see what other little gems are hidden inside…

  7 comments for “We’re All Extremists Now…

  1. john Watson
    Mar 13, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Pending which part of the country your in. In Scotland many/most UKIP members (Including senior members) I have talked to online I personally consider extremists who take a similar stance to the BNP. For that reason I would put the UKIP into the same category as the BNP. Yes you may have a leader who may be a libertarian but a party is made up of its members not the view of its leader.

    John

    • Mar 13, 2012 at 11:49 am

      John I don’t regard myself as UKIP. The leader is relatively Libertarian and the Youth Party is definitely Libertarian. I can’t speak for the rest though. But from my experience I would say it unfair to call UKIP extremist.

  2. john Watson
    Mar 13, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Libertarians in Scotland ether support the SNP if they support independence or the Conservatives if they support the union, normal politics as it stands north of the border does not apply.

    BNP are known as a fascist party, and no one will nothing to do with them, but many individuals who take a British nationalist line would rather support the UKIP as its regarded as a safe haven.

    I have challenged many these Scottish UKIP members on issues such as Scottishness, Islam, what does Britishness means or on a detailed discussion on immigration then you get a true understanding of the true mindset of some of their supporters. I don;t have the overall picture of the UKIP, and I do like Nigel as a libertarian but for the party, I prefer to keep my distance.

    Until the UKIP takes a hardline stance, and kick some of these or what I regard “facists” out of the party, the UKIP risks becoming another BNP style party.

    Few of us are trying to start a new Scottish libertarian party north of the party, before I considered the UKIP possibe competition but not any more.

  3. Mar 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Well, it seems the OP’s point is disputed. It is possible there are nutters in UKIP. I guess a reliable poll of UKIP members would settle the matter, which is actually what the report is slated to be. Interesting!

  4. john Watson
    Mar 13, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I think if we do a poll for Scottish UKIP supports will show completely different results of a UK wide poll.

  5. Tom Knight
    Mar 13, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    There are ‘nutters’ in all political parties. David Icke, a man who believes alien lizards are controlling the earth, and to a lesser extent in regards to insanity (although I’m sure some would disagree), George Monbiot, were involved with the Green party in the eighties. Caroline Lucas was a member of the CND…Nutter? As was Tony Blair, and he and the rest of the Labour government elected in 1997 came complete with a large number of sizable MI5(6?) files in regards to communist/trotskyite activities/associations, which had to be destoyed to avoid embarassment. Is former Communist party member John Reed not a nutter? Or what about Ken Livingston, who took money from a violent Latin American communist? Speaking of which, what about the Respect Party and George Galloway, who took money from arab fascists? The BNP can fairly be described as ‘nutters’ for more reasons han I care to list, and UKIP can unfortunately attract some of this crowd in some areas, or through some policies. The Lib Dems? Sarah Teather…Enough said. And do they think we forgot about the the Tories falling over themselves to admit to smoking pot ‘at college’ (…but I didnt inhale!), which makes them, leader included, criminals.

    But are we forgetting something here? Does any of this come close to comparing with Northern Ireland, where convicted mass murderers (‘political violence’ my ass) are now MPs. Compared to that, who cares about ‘rascist thinking’? And what about these “libertarians”? Who knows what evils this Simon Gibbs is capable of?

  6. James Rigby
    Mar 14, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    I’ve had this debate with UKIP-ophiles recently. It’s similar to the Conservative party – the leadership says one thing, but the membership doesn’t share those values. UKIP was born out of the Eurosceptic wing of the Conservative party. Many (but not all) Eurosceptics are not eurosceptic because of economic or constitutional arguments. They are eurosceptic because, beneath the thin veil, they are xenophobic. Many are authoritarian, anti-gay, pro-hanging, anti drugs legalisation, etc. True, many want some parts of the state rolled back, such as the welfare bill – but that’s about the only libertarian thing to which they might subscribe.

    I like Nigel Farage. He is charismatic and seems to have strong libertarian leanings. But his party’s constitution is such that people will be voted into leadership positions within the party who are on the authoritarian and xenophobic wing. When it comes to the average member of UKIP, in my experience they are akin to the BNP but with right-wing economics as opposed to the BNP’s socialism.

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