Honest hardworking Muslims

© DMahendra

© DMahendra

Most Muslims are good, honest, hard-working, peaceful people. Some sections of the Koran tell you to treat non-believers those who don’t follow its rules as enemies – a small minority act on this and carry out atrocities like the Woolwich murder. But most Muslims ignore the aggressive bits in the Koran and just carry on being good, honest, hard-working, peaceful people.

Most Christians are good, honest, hard-working, peaceful people. Some sections of the Bible tell you to treat non-believers and those who don’t follow its rules as enemies – a small minority act on this and carry out atrocities like the bombing abortion clinics in America. But most Christians ignore the aggressive bits in the Bible and just carry on being good, honest, hard-working, peaceful people.

Whatever religion people follow, they always say that their moral code is based on their religion. But they tend to ignore the bits that defy common sense.

So do people behave morally because of their religions or despite them?

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  1. It is not just religion, it is the way it is taught, what it is built up to be, how demanding it is, how exact, the punishments for not obeying, the attitude to those who do not believe or no longer believe.

    All these greatly depend on who one listens to, what they say and how much one chooses to listen. Some are dealt a very bad hand by being badly treated, crushed, confused and then exploited. If it happens from a young age, much responsibility does fall on those adults around, or the adults linked indirectly.

    Without such distortions, people would, IMHO, in general, behave in a moral way.

    It is not really about religion, but control and collectivism. The “other”. To say it is “religion” is in itself a form of collectivist reasoning, no?

    Religion is just one tool. If it did not exist, some would invent it.

    Oh, wait…

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  2. This post seeks to draw moral equivalence between all religions but particularly between Christianity and Isam where this is none. It attempts to do this by using a non existence argument a straw man in fact and some very weak logic.

    The Bible can be divided in to 2 parts the Old and New Testaments. For those who undersand this they realise that Old Testament imessage is superseeded by the message of Christ as recorded in the New Testament. This message is basically an exhortation to turn the other cheek and to love your neighbour as yourself. It is an inspired message of love from God through His son Jesus Christ to us His lesser children.

    For those who understand the tenets of Islam and the teachings of Mohammed [particularly the Hadiths will also realise that the message of Jihad is inspired in these teachings. Nowhere in the Koran is this message refuted or superseeded. The way of the Moslem IS Jihad. The fact that most moslems do not follow this path in the eyes of ‘real’ moslems makes them bad moslems. And like the IRA just because most do not actively engage in terrorism does not negate the fact that significant numbers support the objectives.

    The two messages of Christianity and Islam are diametrically opposed and couldnt be further from each other. The truth of this also couldnt be further from the message of this post.

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    1. You make an important point, but the reason I invited this content to appear here (it was originally a facebook post) is the conclusion/observation stated in the final paragraph, that people don’t in practice get their morals from books, and you have not disputed that this is the case for the “bad muslims” who don’t do jihad.

      On this point I agree with e.g. Leonard Peikoff, that the vast majority of people simply aren’t that philosophical and get their core ideas (their moral code, though they wouldn’t call it that) from a selection of random sources that they absorb unconsciously. For a religious person, the major source is their religion but I think a lot of religious people have a philosophy mashed together from many sources.

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      1. There are two different discussion points here. One is where moral codes come from, that one can be debated at any time.

        The other is whether or not Christianity and Islam are moral equivalents, and they are clearly not.
        The Koran exhorts muslims to violence against non-believers; that is a simple matter of fact. It is also, of course, a matter of fact that there are some peaceful Koranic verses. These are the ones that appeasers like Cameron and Clegg choose to quote. But which verses are dominant?
        Then go to the Hadith; the most authoritative collection of Hadith is by Al Bukhari. Of all the times that jihad is mentioned in those Hadith it is violent jihad on more than 90% of the instances. The jihad of inner struggle that apologists mention is only the small remainder.
        And do not forget the doctrine of taqiya, which says that a muslim is allowed, or perhaps even encouraged, to lie if that lie will further the cause of Islam.
        Islam is a violent system that seeks to dominate and oppress. Violence is one of the tools they consider to be available to then to do that.Those who say otherwise are either liars or fools.

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  3. @ Ian

    It is an inspired message of love from God through His son Jesus Christ to us His lesser children.

    Or, alternatively, a contrived fairy tale that has been responsible, over the centuries, for untold misery inflicted on others by its gullible adherents.

    Take your pick, but understand that religion has no place in morality.

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  4. Morality is not created by religion, just as rights are not created by the state. Good/Evil and Rights/Responsibilities exist naturally – we all understand them. They can all be summed up as follows:

    Don’t harm others
    Don’t take or damage other people’s stuff
    You’ve a right to protect yourself and your property if either of the above occurs
    Don’t tell lies for your gain or for the detriment of others
    Be nice to people and treat them as you’d like to be treated
    Live and let live

    Religions were among the first to codify natural moral rules and added a few of their own such as honouring their god, having no false idols, and keeping the Sabbath holy. Equally, when states seek to codify rights, apparently so their enjoyment can be assured, they slip in some extras or seek to limit some natural rights.

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